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	<title>Comments on: Search Wikia &#8211; The End of SEO?</title>
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		<title>By: Dave Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.hhcc.com/blog/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-1447</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite SEO guys are a group of hard to find 20-somethings somewhere in Finland (or Norway?) Send them a big check, and watch your Page Rank go through the roof. There are SEO firms and then there are SEO firms.

SEO drives me nuts when I see lots of sites with multiple paragraphs of light grey text on the home page repeating the metadata such as site description, tags, etc.

I agree with Jeff that Jason is mixing online marketing at the meta-level with SEO, apples to oranges comparison.

The arms race has just started, wait until major corporations start funding click-fraud campaigns on a large scale.

Wikia is not going to do so well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite SEO guys are a group of hard to find 20-somethings somewhere in Finland (or Norway?) Send them a big check, and watch your Page Rank go through the roof. There are SEO firms and then there are SEO firms.</p>
<p>SEO drives me nuts when I see lots of sites with multiple paragraphs of light grey text on the home page repeating the metadata such as site description, tags, etc.</p>
<p>I agree with Jeff that Jason is mixing online marketing at the meta-level with SEO, apples to oranges comparison.</p>
<p>The arms race has just started, wait until major corporations start funding click-fraud campaigns on a large scale.</p>
<p>Wikia is not going to do so well.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.hhcc.com/blog/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-1446</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we will clearly have to agree to disagree on several things here, I&#039;m going to stand firmly by the idea that Search Engine Optimization is the art of, well, Optimizing for Search Engines.

&quot;Audience targeting, content strategy, brand messaging, content development, and web site promotion&quot; are all vital parts of good online marketing, but they are not Search Engine Optimization except in that good content is inherently good for search engine rankings.

OK, maybe &quot;web site promotion&quot; can be considered SEO, in that impressing people enough to link to your site builds your PageRank -- but, still, it&#039;s PageRank itself that is boosting your search ranking -- hence, you&#039;re still &quot;impressing a machine&quot;.  That machine just happens to be impressed by how well you impress humans!

Look, I was just having a bit of fun exaggerating how excited someone might get if SEO were completely unnecessary.  Nothing I wrote seriously expressed any real attitudes of myself or the agency.  I&#039;m sorry if this was misinterpreted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we will clearly have to agree to disagree on several things here, I&#8217;m going to stand firmly by the idea that Search Engine Optimization is the art of, well, Optimizing for Search Engines.</p>
<p>&#8220;Audience targeting, content strategy, brand messaging, content development, and web site promotion&#8221; are all vital parts of good online marketing, but they are not Search Engine Optimization except in that good content is inherently good for search engine rankings.</p>
<p>OK, maybe &#8220;web site promotion&#8221; can be considered SEO, in that impressing people enough to link to your site builds your PageRank &#8212; but, still, it&#8217;s PageRank itself that is boosting your search ranking &#8212; hence, you&#8217;re still &#8220;impressing a machine&#8221;.  That machine just happens to be impressed by how well you impress humans!</p>
<p>Look, I was just having a bit of fun exaggerating how excited someone might get if SEO were completely unnecessary.  Nothing I wrote seriously expressed any real attitudes of myself or the agency.  I&#8217;m sorry if this was misinterpreted.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.hhcc.com/blog/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-1445</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I\&#039;d love to find out why you think what I said is such a mystery, I stand by my original statement - that anyone who seriously claims SEO is an impediment to creativity, or characterizes the web as a medium where you must \&#039;impress machines\&#039; doesn\&#039;t really understand what SEO is, and has no business whatsoever marketing on the web.

Absolutely there are some \&quot;hacks\&quot; in SEO, but its absolutely wrong to characterize the field as one where the person with the most alt tags wins. While true in 2001, SEO, at least good SEO, is now much more about audience targeting, content strategy, brand messaging, content development, and web site promotion.

What’s more, it is absolutely disingenuous to even suggest that this SEO ‘arms race’ impairs creativity.  Web analytics, usability, and accessibility each place a much greater burden on creativity than SEO, and what’s more, any designer or agency whose creativity is unduly burdened by SEO guidelines likely doesn’t have the professional competence to be in web marketing to begin with.

Lastly, as far as gaming goes, Google is absolutely vulnerable to gaming, but no more or no less than Digg or Wikipedia. Well, maybe wikipedia…..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I\&#8217;d love to find out why you think what I said is such a mystery, I stand by my original statement &#8211; that anyone who seriously claims SEO is an impediment to creativity, or characterizes the web as a medium where you must \&#8217;impress machines\&#8217; doesn\&#8217;t really understand what SEO is, and has no business whatsoever marketing on the web.</p>
<p>Absolutely there are some \&#8221;hacks\&#8221; in SEO, but its absolutely wrong to characterize the field as one where the person with the most alt tags wins. While true in 2001, SEO, at least good SEO, is now much more about audience targeting, content strategy, brand messaging, content development, and web site promotion.</p>
<p>What’s more, it is absolutely disingenuous to even suggest that this SEO ‘arms race’ impairs creativity.  Web analytics, usability, and accessibility each place a much greater burden on creativity than SEO, and what’s more, any designer or agency whose creativity is unduly burdened by SEO guidelines likely doesn’t have the professional competence to be in web marketing to begin with.</p>
<p>Lastly, as far as gaming goes, Google is absolutely vulnerable to gaming, but no more or no less than Digg or Wikipedia. Well, maybe wikipedia…..</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.hhcc.com/blog/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-1444</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a bit perplexed at what your argument is.  Obviously, to determine the semantic value of a page, a search engine&#039;s spider attempts to interpret it in roughly the way that a human would.  Therefore the most fundamental type of Search Engine Optimization consists of making a page that is highly usable to humans.

Nonetheless, Google &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; ranking pages via a computer algorithm, not via an army of human readers, and therefore, it can be gamed.  The &quot;tyranny&quot; comes from having to compete with sites that can always make use of one more trick than you do - creating an arms race of SEO &quot;hacks&quot;.  The more &quot;hacks&quot; you have to work into your content to compete, the more your original message gets distorted.  Hence the negative effect on creativity.  The word &quot;tyranny&quot; was used as a bit of hyperbole - not entirely said &quot;with a straight face&quot;. Even so, how one makes the leap from that to &quot;not getting the web&quot; is a mystery to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a bit perplexed at what your argument is.  Obviously, to determine the semantic value of a page, a search engine&#8217;s spider attempts to interpret it in roughly the way that a human would.  Therefore the most fundamental type of Search Engine Optimization consists of making a page that is highly usable to humans.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, Google <em>is</em> ranking pages via a computer algorithm, not via an army of human readers, and therefore, it can be gamed.  The &#8220;tyranny&#8221; comes from having to compete with sites that can always make use of one more trick than you do &#8211; creating an arms race of SEO &#8220;hacks&#8221;.  The more &#8220;hacks&#8221; you have to work into your content to compete, the more your original message gets distorted.  Hence the negative effect on creativity.  The word &#8220;tyranny&#8221; was used as a bit of hyperbole &#8211; not entirely said &#8220;with a straight face&#8221;. Even so, how one makes the leap from that to &#8220;not getting the web&#8221; is a mystery to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.hhcc.com/blog/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-1443</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tyranny of SEO? SEO is about writing for machines? SEO is an inhibition on &#039;creativity&#039;

No offense, but if you say this with a straight face, you have no business being online at all. Why don&#039;t you just hang a big sign around your neck that says &quot;We don&#039;t get the web. We never will. We&#039;re just waiting patiently while some kid with a laptop kills us and the dinosaurs we&#039;re riding in on.&quot;

I&#039;ll tell you what, you can even use Flash to make the sign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tyranny of SEO? SEO is about writing for machines? SEO is an inhibition on &#8216;creativity&#8217;</p>
<p>No offense, but if you say this with a straight face, you have no business being online at all. Why don&#8217;t you just hang a big sign around your neck that says &#8220;We don&#8217;t get the web. We never will. We&#8217;re just waiting patiently while some kid with a laptop kills us and the dinosaurs we&#8217;re riding in on.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll tell you what, you can even use Flash to make the sign.</p>
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		<title>By: ilya</title>
		<link>http://www.hhcc.com/blog/?p=358&#038;cpage=1#comment-1442</link>
		<dc:creator>ilya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other issue that worries SEO people is personalization of Google&#039;s search results that will incorporate individual search histories into the display algorithm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other issue that worries SEO people is personalization of Google&#8217;s search results that will incorporate individual search histories into the display algorithm.</p>
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